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  William Ellison, Slave owner

  by James Mixon in

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  i be damn, the guy an ex slave.

  south carolina, a free black man and former slave.

  he owned.

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  WHO was William Ellison? (from wikipedia)

  William Ellison Jr, born April Ellison, (c. April, 1790 – 5 December 1861) was a cotton gin maker and blacksmith in South Carolina, a free negro and former slave who achieved considerable success in business before the American Civil War. He eventually became a major planter and one of the medium property owners, and certainly the wealthiest "black" property owner, in the state. He held 40 slaves at his death and more than 1,000 acres (400 ha) of land. From 1830-1865 he and his sons were the only free blacks in Sumter County, South Carolina to own slaves. The county was largely devoted to cotton plantations and the majority population were slaves.

  Ellison and his sons were among a number of successful free people of color in the antebellum years, but Ellison was particularly outstanding. His master (and likely father) had passed on social capital by apprenticing him to learn a valuable artisan trade as a cotton gin maker, at which Ellison made a success. He took a wife at the age of 21. After buying his own freedom when he was 26, a few years later Ellison purchased his wife and their children, to protect them from sales as slaves.
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  William Ellison, Slave owner

  by James Mixon in

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  i be damn, the guy an ex slave.

  south carolina, a free black man and former slave.

  he owned.

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  Cool your jets, Jim and others who have knee-jerk reactions.

  For the record, I'm white. It is possible that some of my Scots-Irish or Polish progenitors were slaves. It is not an exclusively Black experience. By the way, I have not the foggiest idea WHO William Ellison is/was, but I will correct that soon.

  ONE reason Blacks kept slaves was because that was one way to KEEP THEIR FAMILIES TOGETHER.

  I don't know where you are, Jim, but you should see if you can stream episodes of two US TV shows that I highly recommend.

  The first is Finding Your Roots, which is hosted by Educator Henry Louis Gates Jr.

  The second is Who Do You Think You Are? an American genealogy documentary series that is an adaptation of the British BBC series of the same name.

  It was episodes of these shows that opened my eyes to why owning a slave can, in some circumstances, be an ACT OF LOVE.

  Good luck in your continuing search for answers.
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  A Teenager Ran Away From Home to Get Away From the Witnesses ... in 1909

  by Wild_Thing in

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  okay .... i guess technically they weren't witnesses yet; they were just russellites.

  but i still think it is funny that teenagers were heading for the hills to run away from their nonsense ... even back then!.

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  Is this from every issue of The Brooklyn Eagle or from a particular DATE?
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  Dog expert needed

  by glenster in

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  this dog looks almost exactly like the dog daisy i used to have about a gener-ation ago.

  you'd think the coloring would be random but it's exactly the sameyet it's from california on the other side of the country.

  i think you mix twohybrids that each typically have a look and that's what you get.

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  Maybe you could talk with your Vet about IF DNA testing might clarify this.
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  The inner workings at Bethel in the 70's

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  while doing some research, i stumbled upon a blog written by a former bethelite.

  his name is john bechtel.

  the blog is several years old.

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  His name is familiar, but that might be because there is a very prominent Engineering, Construction, and Project Management named Bechtel.

  I was in NYC during my yoot and I *might* have heard his name; I'm pretty sure I never met him.

  Is this John Bechtel related to the Engineering firm?
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  I chuckle whenever I think of this

  by Nathan Natas in

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  2. humour

  about a month ago magnum posted an incident he recalled from his time in the borg... i've copied and pasted it below:.

  magnum .

  that was one of the most frustrating, irritating things to me in jwdom over my several decades in.

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  Probably First (in the tribe of) Dan.
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  I chuckle whenever I think of this

  by Nathan Natas in

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  about a month ago magnum posted an incident he recalled from his time in the borg... i've copied and pasted it below:.

  magnum .

  that was one of the most frustrating, irritating things to me in jwdom over my several decades in.

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  About a month ago MAGNUM posted an incident he recalled from his time in the Borg... I've copied and pasted it below:

  Magnum

  That was one of the most frustrating, irritating things to me in JWdom over my several decades in. Many elders were clueless. They often taught things that contradicted JW doctrine. Many times, they had no idea what was going on. I could relate many stories. I will mention one now.

  
  

  In the late 80's, I and my wife met for service one morning at the Kingdom Hall. The group was small - just the two of us and maybe eight to ten others. I can still picture it and even remember where we were sitting (back two rows on the rear left of the KH).

  
  

  The PO, who was also a regular pioneer, stood in an aisle and conducted the meeting. He was retired; probably about 60. His meeting consisted of considering the daily text. The comments on the text for that day mentioned Paul's having been involved in Judaism. The PO said "Paul must have been humble because I imagine if he wanted to he could have [at this point he made karate-like motions with his hands] chopped opposers up."

  
  

  My wife and I, to this day, still mention that from time to time. The only thing we can figure is that the PO was thinking of Judo and he thought that Judaism was like some kind or Eastern martial art. And that wasn't just an isolated incident with him.

  
  

  That one was a doozy. Most of the problems were less sensational and had to do with chronic lack of comprehension, lack of ability to teach, ignorance, and, often, just plain old lack of computing power.

  
  

  I was ROTFLing with that, and XJWs I know also found it riotously funny.

  
  

  A few days ago, during my daily oblations, I was led by the Magic Spirit to this scripture -

  "I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers." — Galatians 1:14

  ...and once again found myself on the floor, overflowing with joy.

  
  

  "Judoism"
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: A Clear Decline

  by Hadriel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it is rather clear that the internet is to put it mildly, wrecking the world of the watchtower bible & tract society.

  if not for foreign language i doubt there would be much growth at all.. digital trends and analytics are very real.

  i live this analytics world i assure you to some degree you can take it to the bank.

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  done4good asked two questions:

  
  Q1.: Why is it every time this is discussed, people take either extreme?

  
  
  A1.: Because that is how conversations work. If everyone thought the same, no discussion board would be necessary; see the invisible discussion board at JW.ORG as an example.

  
  

  
  
  Q2.: Neither extreme is correct. [?]

  
  A2.: According to Schrödinger's Witnesses, this is not only correct, but necessary.
  
  
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  Elders & Ex Elders

  by brandnew in

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  i have a question.....if two jw have sex and only one of them goes to the eldurrs and confesses.....do they both get busted?

  or does the boe need a confession from both people.?

  if one of em denies it happened will that person still get df'd?.

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  Fencing coined a NEW PHRASE -- "Quantum states of sin"

  I LIKE it! I LIKE it!
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  THE SHADOW OF '75

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  few of your are old enough to have been there, i suspect.

  i had been in prison two years as a jw conscientious objector when the exciting news about 1975 spread like wildfire.. .

  i was paroled from prison in 1969 and immediately began pioneering.

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  Accidentally duplicated posts can be removed by FLAGGING the thread and making your request using that tool.

  Other methods are just fooling around.